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County commissioner's minutes June 4-5
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July 24, 2012 |
***Monday, June 04, 2012, Commissioners met in
regular session with Chairman Ron Smith,
Commissioner Dan Dinning, Commissioner Walt
Kirby, and Deputy Clerk Michelle Rohrwasser.
Sonny Munier, Connie DeCoe-Munier, Treasurer
Jenny Fessler and Gail Olson joined the meeting.
Blue Sky Broadcasting Reporter Mike Brown was
also in attendance of Commissioners’ meetings
throughout the morning.
9:00 a.m., Road and Bridge Superintendent Jeff
Gutshall joined the meeting to give a
departmental report. Mr. Gutshall presented a
written report.
Mr. Gutshall said last week Road and Bridge
began hauling at Pine Island Road and Fawn Lane
as far as reconstruction and putting pipes in.
Mr. Gutshall said for the next couple of weeks
base rock will be hauled and placed on Pine
Island Road. Two large cross culverts have been
installed on Fawn Lane and there are four more
culverts left to install. There may be delays
between 8:00 a.m., and 4:00 p.m., during the
last installations as traffic cannot be
diverted.
Road and Bridge is also catching up on road
patching. The oil tank Road and Bridge put
together is working wonderfully and is keeping
the oil right where it is needed, according to
Mr. Gutshall. New school zone signs have been
put up at the Naples Elementary School. Those
present discussed the speed limit in school
zones.
Mr. Gutshall said Holmes Road flooded about
three weeks ago and he discussed an issue with
an old culvert that drains to the other side.
Mr. Gutshall said the Panhandle Health District
paving project went well. Wood’s Crushing and
Hauling got the bid for that project.
Mr. Gutshall said he notified the Post Office
about the delays relating to work on Deep Creek
Bridge #4. Mr. Gutshall said a consultant for
the Deep Creek Bridge #4 construction oversight
has been selected. More candidates for
consultants may be needed due to project costs.
Mr. Gutshall said Community Transportation
Association of Idaho (CTAI) notified the
community at the last Boundary Area
Transportation Team (BATT) meeting the bus
service will resume near Boundary County. The
bus service is funded via a grant and it now
includes Sandpoint.
Mr. Gutshall said the Deep Creek Bridge #2
project is close to final design. Mr. Gutshall
said he thinks the County has gone through the
worst part of the bridge projects.
Mr. Gutshall said he issued a permit to the
Border Patrol to bore for their new location.
County resident Gail Olson asked about
alternatives to a road issue she is having near
the intersection of Highland Flats Road and Deep
Creek Loop. Mr. Gutshall explained that Ms.
Olson is talking about the stub road across the
street from the Highland Flats intersection at
Deep Creek Loop. Mr. Gutshall said this was the
issue of questioning ownership and it also
involved Mike Gilroy with the Bonneville Power
Administration (BPA).
Commissioner Dinning informed Ms. Olson the
County researched this issue heavily and could
not find record of this road being a County
road. Mr. Gutshall said whatever the situation
is, it really doesn’t involve the County, but it
potentially could. There is a log yard business
going on there so that is something to look
into. Ms. Olson said she and the Sandlin’s share
this access and Mr. Sandelin is somewhat taking
over this road. Ms. Olson said she has lived in
this location for over 20 years and Mr. Sandelin
has lived there approximately five or so years.
Commissioner Dinning asked Ms. Olson if she has
discussed this with legal counsel. Ms. Olson
said she hadn’t yet as she didn’t know what
authority she had. Ms. Olson said Mr. Sandelin
even blocks the driveway with his heavy
equipment.
The meeting with Mr. Gutshall, Ms. Olson, and
Treasurer Fessler ended at 9:20 a.m.
Deputy Clerk Nancy Ryals joined the meeting at
9:30 a.m.
Ms. DeCoe-Munier and Mr. Munier left the
meeting.
Boundary County Emergency Services Incident
Commander Bob Graham stopped by to inform
Commissioners of an incident that occurred this
last Friday in which the County had not been
notified so he is trying to find out why. Mr.
Graham left the meeting at 9:30 a.m.
9:35 a.m., Commissioner Dinning moved to go into
closed session under Idaho Code #31-874.
Commissioner Kirby second. Motion passed
unanimously. 9:40 a.m., Commissioner Dinning
moved to go out of closed session. Commissioner
Kirby second. Motion passed unanimously.
Deputy Clerk Nancy Ryals left the meeting at
9:44 a.m.
Clerk Glenda Poston joined the meeting at
Commissioners’ request to discuss various budget
related matters. Clerk Poston left the meeting
at 9:53 a.m.
Commissioner Dinning moved to approve the
minutes of May 14 & 15, 2012 and May 21 and 22,
2012. Commissioner Kirby second. Motion passed
unanimously.
Chairman Smith said the County’s Noxious Weed
Board Chairman Dave Wattenbarger called last
Thursday to verbally reappoint the following
Noxious Weed Board members.
Commissioner Kirby moved to reappoint the
following County Noxious Weed Board members with
terms to expire on May 31, 2014: Dave
Wattenbarger, Tom Roy Cowley, Dennis Ponsness,
Tim Dillin, Patrick Gardiner, and Ervin Madson.
Commissioner Dinning second. Motion passed
unanimously.
10:00 a.m., Connie DeCoe-Munier joined the
meeting to present a proposal for ambulance
services to Commissioners. Present were: Sonny
Munier, Boundary Volunteer Ambulance
Chief/President Ken Baker, Bonners Ferry Fire
Fighter/BVA EMT Allen Hamilton, Liz Sloot,
Barbara Gallegly, Pam Stout, South Boundary Fire
District Chief/BVA EMT Tony Rohrwasser, City of
Bonners Ferry Assistant Administrator David Sims
and County Clerk Glenda Poston.
Chairman Smith said Ms. DeCoe-Munier had already
given her proposal for a non-profit volunteer
ambulance service for Commissioners to review.
Ms. DeCoe-Munier said her proposal is for
Volunteer Ambulance of Boundary County (VABC)
and it would be an alternative to what the
County has in place right now. VABC could be an
additional ambulance company or it could be the
“one” ambulance company.
The projected income is for six ambulances, but
if you took just one ambulance unit, the
projected income would be $50,000 per year. Ms.
DeCoe-Munier’s proposal estimated an income of
$300,000 for six ambulance units. Commissioner
Dinning said for clarification that was
projected income and Ms. DeCoe-Munier said that
was correct.
Ms. DeCoe-Munier said she proposed a membership
such as Northwest Medstar or Life Flight. If the
patient had medical insurance in addition to the
membership fee, their copay could be waived. Ms.
DeCoe-Munier said this is not insurance, but it
would help. If a patient did not have insurance,
service would not be refused, but a billing
person would certainly be involved to seek the
payment owed for services. Chairman Smith
clarified the matter involving insurance
copayments. Ms. DeCoe-Munier if the patient is a
member and has insurance, whatever the insurance
pays would be considered as revenue and if there
was a copay, it would be waived.
Commissioner Kirby said it occurs to him that
Ms. DeCoe-Munier is proposing a membership-based
system throughout the County so for those who
wish to participate at a certain amount.
Commissioner Kirby said Ms. DeCoe-Munier’s
information is clearly spelled out. Ms.
DeCoe-Munier’s said the County would be
represented by a joint powers agreement.
Commissioner Kirby said this proposal looks like
another County operation that Commissioners
oversee and would appoint a board to include
management and volunteers. Ms. DeCoe-Munier said
it could operate that way especially through
billing. Commissioner Kirby said the service
would pay for itself through insurance billings
and memberships.
Commissioner Kirby said the first year or two
the County would probably fund the service at
$40,000. Commissioner Kirby reviewed Ms.
DeCoe-Munier’s proposal pertaining to
establishing a $25 single membership fee. The
budget estimated totaled $490,000, which was not
funded by tax dollars. Ms. DeCoe-Munier said
that total is a result of having six ambulance
units. Commissioner Kirby discussed starting out
small and growing to six units. Ms. DeCoe-Munier
said through memberships she is hoping to fund
the service without property taxes. Commissioner
Kirby said he likes the idea of voluntary
support from the County’s citizens rather than
hitting them with taxes. Commissioner Kirby said
he is sure the Commissioners would like to
participate in something like this.
Chairman Smith said he would like to hear more
about how this system would run as the proposal
mentioned 2,000 members and 4,000 families. If
you consider the average size of a family
consists of three members that’s estimating
12,000 will participate. Clerk Poston said that
is the entire County.
Chairman Smith clarified the $40,000 comes from
the County’s .02% levy that is already a part of
the County’s budget for EMS service, not the
district levy as that would be .04%.
Ms. DeCoe-Munier said if the economy improves
she can see funding the ambulance taxing
district, but right now the economy is just not
there so this was her other viable option.
Commissioner Dinning said his biggest concern is
with whatever organization of system is put into
place, the County never wants to be put in this
position again by an entity that says we need
more money or we’re leaving. Commissioner
Dinning asked Ms. DeCoe-Munier how her proposal
will prevent his concern from happening. Ms.
DeCoe-Munier said the joint powers board would
immediately recognize any flaws in the system
and authorize different situations, privileges,
authority, duty or function legally invested in
them by Idaho law. Commissioner Dinning said
from what he reviewed, a joint powers agreement
would not prevent this from dissolving at some
point because of financial issues. In using an
example, if at some point there just wasn’t
enough money raised in this fashion and even if
Boundary County had levied the full amount to
try to make it work, at this point the system
could be disbanded. Commissioner Dinning said he
is trying to prevent the ability for any
ambulance service to say to Boundary County
again, that they’re closing up shop and the
County is on its own.
Ms. DeCoe-Munier said with the joint powers
board Commissioners would be kept informed
constantly of any issues. Commissioner Dinning
said he understands that, but it doesn’t prevent
his concerns from happening. Commissioner
Dinning said the only way he is aware of
preventing this scenario from happening is if
the function becomes a total County operated
function. Commissioner Dinning said he is not
against considering any new ideas. In quickly
running the numbers he comes up with the
$40,000, and the single and family memberships
and that is a total of approximately $250,000
still coming from the community if everyone
signs up. Commissioner Dinning said he has seen
fire associations deal with that same issue.
Commissioner Dinning said the County normally
collects, in any one year, approximately 90% of
property taxes owed so 90% of $342,000 comes to
$307,000. There are absentee property owners
outside of the community that will pay a large
portion of this tax and this is talking about
citizens. Ms. DeCoe-Munier said it is a big
consideration for fund raising. Ms. DeCoe-Munier
said if the taxpayer realized the annual $40
membership as opposed to their taxes increasing
close to $475 per year. Commissioner Dinning
clarified that .04% on a net taxable value of
$100,000 is $40 not $400. Commissioner Dinning
said Ms. DeCoe-Munier has great information, but
he is just trying to understand. Ms.
DeCoe-Munier said it just depends on what the
community wants so if the community wants a
funded service then that it is it would be.
Ms. De-Coe-Munier said she expected to need
three EMT’s per ambulance. Commissioner Dinning
said that could be 18 on call at any one time.
Commissioner Dinning said BVA has had a maximum
number of volunteers at 25 and there is a huge
percentage that can’t make every call so he
asked Ms. DeCoe-Munier how she could work on
that. Ms. DeCoe-Munier said if revenue is
generated and a call comes out she would have to
line it up with the volunteers and they really
like to do that. There would have to be three
volunteers in each area at all times who would
know they could be called. Once a volunteer is
called they could have a stand-by fee and if a
call comes in the EMT could be paid $20 per hour
for that run and driver could be paid $12 per
hour unless they’re an EMT, in which they could
be paid $25 per hour.
Ms. Gallegly said she had wanted to make a point
that she had called the current ambulance
service in this County several times asking for
information on training to become an EMT and she
knows there are other people who also want to do
this, but BVA has never ever called her back.
Ms. Gallegly said there may be more people
interested in becoming a volunteer and they’re
just not getting a response from BVA.
Chairman Smith mentioned the $40 increase to
property taxes. Chairman Smith said he does not
think there are a lot of people in the community
who would be upset with paying $40 when it’s
talking about a taxing district. Chairman Smith
said he feels the average property owner
probably has a property value at a level where
this tax would probably cost them $40 to $60 per
year. The people who may object to this are the
property owners with larger pieces of property
and those values would be higher, but the
average homeowner within a normal range for
property values will probably be assessed the
cost of approximately $40. Commissioner Kirby
added that those opposed to a volunteer
ambulance service could also be a patient who is
not a member or who doesn’t have insurance, but
receives service and later receives a $40 bill.
Commissioner Dinning said he had a problem
understanding the joint powers. Commissioner
Dinning said he understands how joint powers
work, but in this case Ms. DeCoe-Munier’s
proposed organization would enter into a joint
powers agreement with Boundary County. In that,
what oversight would Boundary County have in
that organization? Ms. DeCoe-Munier asked if
Commissioners are worried about being over the
barrel again. Commissioner Dinning said it is
being over the barrel again and also how would
Commissioners know the system is being managed
properly and there is not an error as he is
trying to prevent ever being in this situation
again. Since the County is responsible for tax
dollars how do Commissioners become accountable?
Commissioner Dinning asked Ms. DeCoe-Munier
where she sees Commissioners having any
influence in that realm with her organization.
Ms. DeCoe-Munier said Commissioners would be
represented on the joint powers board,
Commissioners could be presented with the budget
on the schedule they prefer and would have
complete information down to the last band-aid
and ambulance.
Clerk Poston and Mr. Sims left the meeting.
Chairman Smith said according to Idaho Code,
County Commissioners are responsible for
providing ambulance service so how can the
County be assured about any system put in place,
other than a taxing district. If there is a
taxing district that is funded, the only three
people involved from day one would be the three
County Commissioners. This would be followed by
Commissioners’ ability to appoint a board
underneath them and an individual to possibly
operate the district, but ultimately those
others involved would report back to
Commissioners. Chairman Smith asked if this is
the same structure to operate under if using Ms.
DeCoe-Munier’s proposal. Chairman Smith said he
doesn’t think the County would have that type of
control when the Board got together and had
problems Ms. DeCoe-Munier said she understands
that Commissioners are responsible.
Ms. Stout said that structure would not change a
lot how she envisions it. Ms. Stout said if
there was a Board to oversee what Commissioners
formed, there would not be a need to oversee on
a daily basis, but more on as an as needed
basis. Commissioners would not have to have
every day concerns. Chairman Smith said if
Commissioners were the top umbrella, they could
have regular updates on how things are running.
Chairman Smith addressed Ms. Gallegly’s concerns
about lack of training and said that has been
one of Commissioners’ concerns as well. Even
some of the existing BVA members want training
and it is just not available to them. Chairman
Smith said whether that is a true statement he
doesn’t know, but Commissioners do receive those
same comments and he has the same concerns Ms.
Gallegly has about training issues so
Commissioners will take a look at that.
Ms. DeCoe-Munier said training was something she
had talked to County Attorney Phil Robinson
about. Attorney Robinson had mentioned to Ms.
DeCoe-Munier that Rob Wakeley with Bonner County
EMS is a very good trainer and maybe Mr. Wakeley
could set up a system for Boundary County. Mr.
DeCoe-Munier said she had tried to contact Mr.
Wakeley.
Commissioner Dinning said he thinks Ms.
DeCoe-Munier understands Commissioners’ concerns
about the structure of a system in that no
matter what it is he never wants to be where the
County is at today. Commissioner Dinning said
his concern is even with a joint powers
agreement, the County could potentially be in
the same situation. It was said Commissioners
would be active on that Board, but Commissioner
Dinning said there are others on that Board and
even if Commissioners are active, they have the
ability to be overridden.
Ms. Sloot asked if there would be a contract if
the County decided to accept this proposal.
Commissioner Dinning said that is what he is
understands and that is to be somewhere that is
no different than where the County is at today
with BVA. Ms. Sloot said Commissioners could
stipulate in the contract that the EMS
organization has to account to Commissioners
whenever they want. Commissioner Dinning said
all of those things could be put into place, but
he is looking at the worst case, not saying it
will ever happen. Ms. Sloot said if those
statements are put in the contract, why would
the situation ever get that far. Ms.
DeCoe-Munier said because of Idaho law.
Commissioner Dinning said the situation may not
get to that level, but he doesn’t ever want to
be in this position again.
Chairman Smith said no matter what the County
does, it can still be in this situation again.
Commissioner Dinning said in that case then it
would be the County’s fault.
Ms. Slot said to get the contract and system how
they want it and for Commissioners to run it
themselves countywide. Commissioner Kirby said
that is the only way it is going to be.
Chairman Smith explained that South Boundary
Fire is a district and that district has their
own funding and do not answer to the
Commissioners. The only thing this district does
every year is submit their budget to the County.
County Commissioners do not have the ability to
tell the fire district they’re budget is too
high, too low or anything else.
Jacob Bushnell and Renita Bushnell joined the
meeting at 10:30 a.m.
Chief Rohrwasser explained the County is not
responsible for the fire district as far as what
they do with the budget, but Clerk Poston is the
final approval on a fire district by telling
them if the fire district does not meet what the
State allows, in which the budget would be
returned to the district. Chief Rohrwasser said
the district has a levy rate they’re allowed to
work within and the district will forward its
budget to the County and the Clerk will
determine if the budget fits what the State
says. Chairman Smith said that is every taxing
entity, but the point he is trying to make is
that a fire district and Mr. Rohrwasser doesn’t
have to report to the County to tell them how
the district is operating, what the finances are
and how it is going. That is different from
ambulance taxing district and if the County
forms an ambulance taxing district, that
district will respond to Commissioners. Chairman
Smith said Commissioners have more authority
over an ambulance district.
Ms. DeCoe-Munier said the fire districts could
be a part of the joint powers board.
Commissioner Dinning listed the various county
fire districts and said the remaining fire
departments are associations, which is a
different animal.
Commissioner Dinning said all of these
discussions are good and he is not discounting
anything, but Commissioners are going down a
road that when whatever structure and who ever
the organization, it will be a structure in
which the County will never face this again.
Commissioner Dinning said the County will
consider all alternatives, but for right now,
Commissioners are preparing to have to contract
with Bonner County EMS and go forward with that.
Tomorrow evening Commissioner Dinning will have
a meeting with the EMT’s and drivers to let them
know about Bonner County EMS and what would be
needed if they chose to participate. That way
everyone will be on board and there will be no
surprises. Commissioner Dinning said he told Mr.
Baker and Mr. Hamilton that he wanted everything
out in the open to the best of his ability.
Chairman Smith said everyone should understand
that today is June 4th and in 10 days from today
Commissioners have to do something because that
is when the contract ends.
Ms. DeCoe-Munier said in her meeting with EMS
Bureau Licensing Supervisor Dean Newfield and
Attorney Robinson, Mr. Newfeld said he would
speed up licensing as he understood the
circumstances so the County could get at least
one ambulance unit up and running. Commissioner
Dinning asked how long that could take. Ms.
DeCoe-Munier said normally licensing takes two
to three weeks, but Mr. Newfeld said he could
speed it up.
Commissioner Dinning said he wanted everyone to
understand the County will have a temporary fix
in place with Bonner County and he does not want
to create something without a lot of thought
because this is too important.
Ms. Gallegly asked if other proposals have come
in for Commissioners to consider. Commissioner
Dinning said Ms. DeCoe-Munier’s proposal is the
only formal proposal and Commissioners are still
talking with BVA. Commissioner Dinning said
there are all kinds of discussions out on the
street, but this is the first real formal
proposal.
Chairman Smith said when you get right down to
it Commissioners received the letter from BVA
informing the County what they would do if the
County could not meet what he would call demands
and that is to cease providing service on June
13, 2012. So now Commissioners have that issue
to look at, this proposal to look at and the
emergency situation set up with Bonner County.
Chairman Smith those are the only three
situations Commissioners are looking at.
Chairman Smith asked Ms. DeCoe-Munier to inform
Commissioners about a statement she made about
an ambulance unit BVA had obtained via grant.
Ms. DeCoe-Munier said BVA did acquire an
ambulance unit through a grant and one of the
conditions of this grant is the ambulance unit
stays with Boundary County, period, so that is
one ambulance available to the County
immediately. Commissioner Dinning said what he
was informed of was just a touch different in
that there is a specific time frame on grants
that if BVA no longer provides services within
the County then at that point, that ambulance
would be available.
Ms. DeCoe-Munier said Mr. Wakeley mentioned
something about a surplus ambulance unit.
Chairman Smith said it was mentioned that
Kootenai County may also have a unit available
in the fall. Ms. DeCoe-Munier questioned if
Spokane would possibly have an ambulance unit as
they have had to make cut backs.
Ms. Stout reminded Commissioners that Kootenai
County operates under the Joint Powers
Agreement.
Mr. Hamilton said for sake of argument if Ms.
DeCoe-Munier’s proposed ambulance service is put
into place, if he is in an auto accident and is
trapped in his car, who is getting him out. Mr.
Hamilton asked if extrication is available and
is there funding to put extrication equipment in
the fire departments. Ms. DeCoe-Munier said she
thought South Boundary Fire District has
equipment. The City of Bonners Ferry and
Northside Fire Department were thought to also
have extrication equipment. Mr. Hamilton asked
if Northside Fire Department would go all the
way to Eastport and leave themselves
unprotected. Chairman Smith said those are
questions that would have to be worked out. Mr.
Hamilton said he is on the City of Bonners
Ferry’s Fire Department and runs the extrication
vehicle and he is also with Boundary Volunteer
Ambulance just so Commissioners know. Mr.
Hamilton said he, his wife and both of his
daughters are or have been EMT’s with BVA and he
feels this is a slap in the face.
Mr. Hamilton left the meeting.
Commissioner Kirby said Boundary Volunteer
Ambulance slapped Mr. Hamilton in the face, not
the County. Commissioner Dinning said Boundary
County would be remiss in not considering all
options.
The meeting to discuss Ms. DeCoe-Munier’s
ambulance service proposal ended at 10:40 a.m.
Commissioner Dinning moved to grant an extension
of time to pay year 2008 taxes for parcel
#RP60N01W244050A until August 6, 2012.
Commissioner Kirby second. Motion passed
unanimously.
Treasurer Fessler left the meeting at 10:40 a.m.
10:45 a.m., Commissioner Dinning moved to go
into executive session under Idaho Code
#67-2345-(1)c. To conduct deliberations
concerning labor negotiations or to acquire an
interest in real property, which is not owned by
a public agency. Commissioner Kirby second.
Commissioners voted as follows: Chairman Smith
“yes”, Commissioner Dinning “yes”, and
Commissioner Kirby “yes”. Motion passed
unanimously. 11:00 a.m., Commissioner Dinning
moved to go out of executive session.
Commissioner Kirby second. Motion passed
unanimously.
11:00 a.m., Solid Waste Superintendent Claine
Skeen joined the meeting to give the
departmental report. Chief Deputy Clerk Tracie
Isaac also joined the meeting.
Commissioner Dinning moved to go into executive
session under Idaho Code #67-2345(1) a, to
consider hiring a public officer, employee,
staff member or individual agent. Commissioner
Kirby second. Commissioners voted as follows:
Chairman Smith “yes”, Commissioner Dinning
“yes”, and Commissioner Kirby “yes”. Motion
passed unanimously. 11:15 a.m., Commissioner
Dinning moved to go out of executive session.
Commissioner Kirby second. Motion passed
unanimously.
Deputy Clerk Nancy Ryals and Clerk Glenda Poston
joined the meeting.
11:15 a.m., Commissioner Dinning moved to go
into closed session under Idaho Code #31-874.
Commissioner Kirby second. Motion passed
unanimously. Commissioner Dinning moved to go
out of closed session. Commissioner Kirby
second. Motion passed unanimously.
Commissioner Dinning moved to deny in part
indigent application #2012-21 as outlined in the
Certificate of Denial, approve PCIP premiums for
up to four months beginning with June 2012, and
issue a Notice of Suspension for all other
medical bills pending eligibility determinations
for disability through Social Security and
subsequently Idaho Medicaid. Commissioner Kirby
second. Motion passed unanimously.
Those present discussed the Sheriff’s Office
line items contained within the indigent budget.
If items in this budget are combined it comes to
just under $18,000 short. Deputy Clerk Ryals
said she contacted Ms. Denton at the Sheriff’s
Office for reimbursement and billing questions
to no avail. Deputy Clerk Ryals said she had
left information for Ms. Denton pertaining to
the deficiency and to ask about reimbursements,
but had not gotten a response. Deputy Clerk
Ryals said at one of the last meetings on this
subject Ms. Denton said she was handling the
billings and some funds came in, but not much.
It was said for clarification that this is in
regards to the indigent budget as all of the
Sheriff’s medical expenditures for indigent
inmates is deducted from the indigent budget.
Deputy Clerk Ryals mentioned items that can be
reimbursed such as prescription costs can be
reimbursed in full. The line item for
medications is overspent, but costs are
reimbursable if the inmate is deemed to be
indigent as determined by application required
by Idaho Code to be developed by the Sheriff’s
Office. If the inmate is indigent, the Sheriff’s
Office can’t bill, but if not, the inmates can
be billed for these costs.
The meeting with Deputy Clerk Nancy Ryals ended
at 11:40 a.m.
11:45 a.m., There being no further business, the
meeting recessed until tomorrow at 9:00 a.m.
***Tuesday, June 05, 2012, Commissioners met in
regular session with Commissioner Dan Dinning,
Commissioner Walt Kirby and Deputy Clerk
Michelle Rohrwasser. Chairman Smith was out of
the office for the morning tending to other
matters.
Commissioner Kirby moved to appoint Commissioner
Dinning Acting Chairman in the absence of
Chairman Ron Smith. Commissioner Dinning second.
Motion passed unanimously.
9:00 a.m., Kootenai County Trial Court
Administrator Karlene Behringer, Judge Justin
Julian, Judge Steve Verby, Clerk Glenda Poston,
and Chief Probation Officer Stacy Brown joined
the meeting to discuss the upcoming District
Court Budget.
Ms. Behringer presented information on the
budget and explained that some changes were due
to legislation changes pertaining to child
protection cases. A law is getting passed that
states if a child age 12 or older is involved in
a child protection case, they are entitled to an
attorney. And if there are multiple children in
that age bracket, each child is entitled to
their own attorney. These costs will fall onto
the County, according to Ms. Behringer. The
Court Appointed Special Advocate Organization
(CASA) also has an attorney and sometimes there
are up to two attorneys for the parents,
according to Judge Julian. This legislation is
not law until possibly July 1st of year 2013.
Acting Chairman Dinning spoke of changes for the
budget that would take place on October 1, 2012
and he questioned if the current budget level
would suffice for the first three months if this
legislation went into affect this July.
Judge Julian questioned if this new legislation
pertains to newly filed cases or pending cases.
Acting Chairman Dinning suggested budgeting for
what will suffice.
Mr. Behringer said there is a change already in
affect. The Department of Health and Welfare
used to conduct competency exams, but the
physician who used to conduct these exams
retired and Health and Welfare has decided to no
longer provide those services. The State is now
requiring juvenile competency exams, but Health
and Welfare is not conducting those as well. Ms.
Behringer said there is a physician willing to
travel to Bonners Ferry to perform these tests
at a rate of $150 per hour. The exam should not
exceed four hours unless it is complicated.
Judge Julian said there have been five to eight
of these exams and that number was probably
higher than it needed to be, but there were
three or four that he felt were necessary.
Ms. Brown said Juvenile Probation Services are
supposed to ask questions and determine a need
for testing and if there is a need, to present
that to the court.
Ms. Behringer referred to line items #489 and
#558 and explained those two line items somewhat
run together. Line item #489 is listed as Other
Professional Services and shows a budget of
$15,000, which goes towards covering expenses
for something such as a murder trial. Line item
#558 shows a budget of $2,000 more in reserves
in which to cover other expenses. It was said
the reserve balance is currently $8,000.
Ms. Behringer said the State of Idaho has held
training for district court deputy clerks in
years past. The State pays for a portion of the
costs, but registration fees and costs of travel
are the responsibility of the counties. Clerk
Poston said there are also Probation Department
related line items that fall under District
Court. Ms. Behringer said there are small
changes in the budget related to things such as
travel and supplies.
Ms. Brown requested the line item for monitoring
juveniles and adults be transferred to the
Justice Fund as those issues fall more so into
that other department. It was said the budget
for juvenile housing will be $52,000 this year.
Ms. Behringer said those were the only increases
she was requesting. Acting Chairman Dinning
asked if there is ability to increase fines
recovery or look at that a bit heavier and it
was said usually the answer is that a
significant number of people are lower to no
income. Judge Verby mentioned collecting more
fines. Judge Julian said some people don’t pay
and instead chose to have that credited by
sitting it out in jail.
Ms. Brown said she looked into a survey done
throughout the State and which counties charge
juvenile probation supervision fees. Boundary
County doesn’t charge a fee so that is another
possibility.
Judge Julian spoke of the issue with the
multiple attorneys for children. Acting Chairman
Dinning asked if it would be appropriate for him
to prepare a white paper on this issue so it’s
put on the radar. Ms. Behringer said she would
work on putting together information. Ms.
Behringer said all five northern counties have
been contacted about this.
Those present reviewed the remaining line items
of the budget for District Court. Commissioner
Dinning said he didn’t really see anything
significant to reduce. Those present discussed
an increase in court related matters across the
State. Commissioner Dinning said there’s a
potential to not increase line item #480 or it
could even be reduced.
Judge Verby, Judge Julian and Ms. Brown left the
meeting at 9:40 a.m.
Commissioners, Ms. Behringer and Clerk Poston
discussed the Court Assistance representative
that has been selected.
The meeting with Ms. Behringer and Clerk Poston
ended at 10:00 a.m.
10:00 a.m., Solid Waste Superintendent Claine
Skeen joined the meeting.
Mr. Skeen said he will start rotating two
trailers out next week for recycling and his
schedule to pick up recycled products at the
monitored sites will be Tuesdays and Saturdays.
Mr. Skeen said paving in front of the office has
been done and he has also paved the area in
front of the recycling building.
Mr. Skeen and Commissioners discussed hiring for
two positions, one being a landfill/rural site
monitor and another rural site monitor who will
provide coverage for approximately two weeks.
Mr. Skeen said there has been more involvement
from the outside areas on recycling.
The City of Bonners Ferry is now doing curbside
recycling and Mr. Skeen said he is very
impressed with the material being brought to him
by the City. It is very clean, according to Mr.
Skeen.
Other than two monitored employees, Mr. Skeen
said he is budgeting for his existing employees
to work at the new Moyie dumpster site. Mr.
Skeen said he did not raise solid waste fees
again for this next budget year. For the
2013-2014 budget year, Mr. Skeen said he would
like to implement a scale system.
10:20 a.m., Commissioner Kirby moved to go into
executive session under Idaho Code #67-2345(1)b,
to consider the evaluation, dismissal or
disciplining of, or to hear complaints or
charges brought against, a public officer,
employee, staff member or individual agent, or
public school student. Acting Chairman Dinning
yielded the chair to second. Commissioners voted
as follows: Acting Chairman Dinning “yes” and
Commissioner Kirby “yes”. Motion passed
unanimously. Commissioner Kirby moved to go out
of executive session. Acting Chairman Dinning
yielded the chair to second. Motion passed
unanimously.
The meeting with Mr. Skeen ended at 10:30 a.m.
Commissioners tended to administrative duties.
10:45 a.m., Idaho Transportation Department (ITD)
Foreman George Shutes met with Commissioners.
Mr. Shutes said he wanted to discuss
communications and professionalism. Comments
were made at the Rotary meeting in regards to
ITD and project delays and he felt that was not
the time and place. Mr. Shutes said his daughter
had been in attendance at that meeting.
Mr. Shutes explained ITD’s budget restraints and
explained that as far as the north hill walkway
is concerned, the project has not yet been
established due to liability issues. These
issues are similar to liability issues the
County was also concerned about in taking over
the old north hill walkway. Mr. Shutes said the
issues are huge as far as the State is concerned
and ITD is protecting themselves and taxpayers
by going through the processes they go through.
All new projects are built according to safety
standards and Mr. Shutes said he emphasized the
word “yet” when talking about the north hill
walkway project.
Mr. Shutes said as far as the local ITD voices,
his crew is polite and they put forth efforts
for safety of travelers. There is self pride for
people that live here and for those passing
through. ITD does a lot of events that other
state agencies don’t do such as washing bridges
and jersey barriers. Children do need to know
there is one community working together. Mr.
Shutes said his opinion is to feel blessed with
city, state, county agencies that provide a
service so the town is pristine.
Mr. Shutes said a project that is to go through
town has been pushed out, but he is okay with
this project being pushed out as he wants it
done right. To do a fast project would be the
same thing as the project in front of the school
and Mr. Shutes mentioned lack of sidewalks and
no stormwater drainage, etc.
Mr. Shutes said as a group there is a need to
professionally figure this out. If an
organization sees the County or city has a
matched grant, it looks better in getting a
project done.
Mr. Shutes mentioned a letter from the City
requesting ITD address mile post 504 to mile
post 508, but he said he will also try to
address mile post 508.1 which will includes the
north hill walkway. Mr. Shutes said he doesn’t
disagree with Commissioner Kirby about people
walking along the side of the road, but he also
agrees with the State’s concerns. Mr. Shutes
said ITD will also address the bump at the south
end of the bridge, but that is a lot of money
and he explained the issue with the angle and
approach. Mr. Shutes said we’ll have to see what
happens, but the project has been pushed out
possibly five years. ITD will maintain the area
to the best of their ability. ITD will also do a
lot of paving in the city limits to keep people
happy.
Commissioner Kirby said he can see where Mr.
Shutes is coming from and felt he owed Mr.
Shutes’ daughter an apology because of the
remarks he made at the Rotary meeting.
Commissioner Kirby explained how the situation
of the discussion grew. Commissioner Kirby
apologized to Mr. Shutes, the ITD crew, and in
particular to Mr. Shutes’ daughter who was in
attendance at the Rotary meeting. Commissioner
Kirby said he was wrong and that it was just his
own opinion and people took it as that.
Commissioner Kirby spoke of the County/City
meeting that involved an ITD member discussing
how ITD cannot maintain the sidewalks within the
city limits as they would become liable.
The meeting with Mr. Mr. Shutes ended.
11:00 a.m., Chief Probation Officer Stacy Brown
joined the meeting to give the departmental
report.
Ms. Brown presented Commissioners with a print
out of cases according to counties and said this
information gives a good vision of what is going
on. Ms. Brown said there are only 4, 14 year
olds in the probation system and that is good.
There are 51 kids on probation now and it is
soon increasing to 60 by the end of summer.
Ms. Brown discussed juvenile detention budgets.
The President of the Idaho Association of
Counties Juvenile Justice Administration
Association asked probation offices for input
for juvenile supervision fees. Ms. Brown said
she has never charged fees for this and she was
amazed by how many counties do charge. This
would be a charge to the juvenile’s parents. Ms.
Brown said her department does charge $20
through the diversion program. Ms. Brown said
she doesn’t know why Boundary County couldn’t
start out charging $10 although the total costs
involved is a lot more then $10.
Ms. Brown informed Commissioners there are 268
unsupervised probationers, which is a decrease.
Ms. Brown informed Commissioners she is leaving
later today to attend an Idaho Juvenile Justice
Association meeting in Pocatello.
The meeting with Ms. Brown ended at 11:14 a.m.
Commissioners recessed for lunch at 11:20 a.m.
1:30 p.m., Commissioners held a public hearing
to consider Planning and Zoning Application
#12-006. An application to rezone multiple
properties in Townships 64 and 65 North, Range 2
East, along the Moyie River from
Agriculture/Forestry to Suburban.
Present were: Chairman Ron Smith, Commissioner
Dan Dinning, Commissioner Walt Kirby, Interim
Planning and Zoning Administrator Dan Studer,
Deputy Clerk Michelle Rohrwasser, Richard
Villelli, Bill Dennis, and members of Ms.
Iverson’s Bonners Ferry High School Leadership
Class. The public hearing was recorded.
Chairman Smith reviewed the public hearing
procedures. The application was made by Boundary
County to rezone specific lots and parcels
situated on the Moyie River that were created
before zoning regulations were established in
Boundary County. The majority of these tracts
are below the established minimum parcel size,
and the majority of them are used for personal
recreation. These lots are currently zoned
Agriculture/Forestry, with a ten acre minimum
lot size, they are depicted on the Comprehensive
Plan Map as Suburban, which allows two and one
half acre parcels. The purpose of this
application is to make the zoning map more
accurately reflect the uses that have long been
established in these areas.
Mr. Studer provided a staff report by reading
into the record the Staff Analysis. Mr. Studer
said the minutes from the March 15, 2012
Planning and Zoning Commission public hearing
were included in Commissioners’ packet of
information. The Planning and Zoning Commission
had unanimously recommended County Commissioners
a denial of this application.
Commissioner Dinning explained the process of
drafting the Comprehensive Plan and requesting
public input. During this process a deadline for
adopting the Ordinance had to be met and an
error had occurred in that those specific areas
had not been included. The County needed to
correct this error made as a result of the time
crunch.
Chairman Smith opened the hearing to public
testimony. Richard Villelli spoke and said he
has anticipated this change for years. Mr.
Villelli said he has several properties in this
area, but this change should not impact them,
although there is one parcel he is hoping will
come in line. Mr. Villelli said he has a gas
line running through the property and part of
this property’s waterfront is included in the
Plan, but the backside of this property on the
other side of the gas pipeline is not. The leach
fields on this property will be in a different
zone if this application is not approved and
this could make dealings with the Department of
Environmental Quality and the Panhandle Health
Permit difficult. Mr. Villelli said he plans on
installing a community well on the Westside of
the pipeline and he requested Commissioners
consider this application.
Chairman Smith clarified Mr. Villelli’s request.
Commissioner Dinning asked for the location of
Mr. Villelli’s property and reviewed this
location on the map.
Bill Dennis had signed the sign-in sheet
requesting to provide testimony, but said he had
no additional comments. Mr. Dennis has 7.1 acres
and he said he is not opposed to the rezone. Mr.
Dennis explained that he is down river from the
Schneider property.
Chairman Smith closed the hearing to further
public testimony.
Commissioner Dinning said the entire area has
county road frontage and electricity. Most of
these parcels are below minimum lot size for the
Agriculture/Forestry zone. County Commissioners
would like to correct the error and afford
property owners the best use of the land.
Commissioner Dinning said there are even areas
that could be removed from this designation.
Commissioner Dinning asked Mr. Studer about the
Planning and Zoning Commissions’ discussions.
Mr. Studer said the mode of discussion centered
on roads. The public’s comments at the Planning
and Zoning Commission public hearing had been
that the designation of suburban did not fit the
area, according to Mr. Studer.
Chairman Smith questioned if Commissioners could
address Mr. Villelli’s request or would another
public hearing have to be held. Commissioners
reviewed the map. Commissioner Dinning said in
reading comments those opposed felt their taxes
were going to increase. It was said Idyl Acres
Campground is not included in this application.
Commissioner Dinning questioned the size of the
Welcome Ranch. Commissioner Dinning said he does
not have a problem with a rezone of the
Nixon/Moyie River tracts and this also includes
Joe Farrell’s lots. Commissioner Dinning said it
was okay not to include the Good Grief Grill and
Grocery.
Chairman Smith said he wanted to correct the
error made and to exclude certain areas.
Commissioner Dinning moved to include the
following in the rezone to the designation of
Suburban: 85 parcels and lots in the Nixon/Moyie
River tracts as depicted, 51 parcels and lots in
the Lane/Moyie River tracts as depicted and 47
lots and parcels in the Queen Mountain/Twin
Bridges tracts as depicted; to rezone 6 parcels
and lots at Good Grief as depicted to the
designation of Rural Community Commercial, and
to exclude the 27 parcels and lots of the
Welcome Ranch as depicted. Commissioner Kirby
second. Motion passed unanimously.
The public hearing ended at 2:20 p.m.
There being no further business, the meeting
adjourned at 2:20 p.m.
/s/
RONALD R. SMITH, Chairman
ATTEST:
/s/
GLENDA POSTON, Clerk
By: Michelle Rohrwasser, Deputy Clerk |
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